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Nazir
Daf 38b
WHILST THERE IS NO PENALTY UNLESS HE EATS AN OLIVE'S BULK OF GRAPES etc.:] The first Tanna does not put all the things forbidden a nazirite on the same footing as drinking, whereas R. Akiba, because of the verse nor eat fresh grapes nor dried, says that just as in eating an olive's bulk [entails a penalty], so for all the prohibitions an olive's bulk [is sufficient to entail a penalty]. THERE IS A SEPARATE PENALTY FOR WINE etc. Our Rabbis taught: [The verse,] 'Nor eat fresh grapes nor dried' indicates that there is a penalty for [eating] the one by itself, and a penalty for [eating] the other by itself. From here a rule may be derived applicable to all prohibitions of the Torah. Just as here where we have a single species [grapes] known by two different names [fresh and dried], each entails a distinct penalty, so wherever we find a single species known by two different names, each entails a penalty distinct from the other. In this way, new wine and grapes are included. Abaye said: For eating pressed-grapes [the nazirite] is scourged twice; For eating grape-stones he is scourged twice; for eating both pressed-grapes and grape-stones he is scourged three times. Raba said: He is scourged once only [in the first two cases] since we do not scourge for [breach of] the prohibition expressed in general terms. R. Papa raised an objection: [It is taught] R. Eleazar said that a nazirite who drank wine all day long would be scourged once only. If, however, he was warned, 'Do not drink', and again 'Do not drink', [and so on], there would be a penalty for each [warning]. If he ate fresh grapes, dried grapes, pressed-grapes, grape-stones, and squeezed a cluster of grapes and drank [the liquor] he would be scourged five times. Now if [Abaye is right] he should be scourged six times, including once on account of 'He shall eat nothing [that is made of the grape-vine]'? — [Abaye replied:] He mentioned some and omitted others. But what other [count] is omitted, that the one referred to should have been omitted? — He omitted, He shall not break his word. Had this last, however, been the only one, it would not have been considered an omission, [as it could be argued that R. Eleazar] mentioned only [those prohibitions] that are not found elsewhere, whereas this one is found in connection with ordinary vows too. Rabina of Parazikia said to R. Ashi: But he has in any case omitted the intermediate portion of the grape! — But said R. Papa [in reply to the various arguments advanced]: Five is not actually mentioned [in the Baraitha]. But [R. Papa]
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