Shabbat

What of unripe dates  according to R. Simeon? Said he to him: R. Simeon holds that mukzeh applies only to drying figs and raisins. But does not Rabbi accept mukzeh?  Surely we learnt: Pasture animals may not be watered and killed,  but home animals may be watered and killed. And it was taught: These are pasture animals: those that go out on Passover and re-enter [the town limits] at the rainfall;  home animals: those that go out and graze beyond the tehum and re-enter and spend the night within the tehum.  Rabbi said: Both of these are home animals; but the following are pasture animals: those that graze in the meadow  and do not enter the town limits  either in summer or in winter. — If you wish I can answer: these too are like drying figs and raisins. Alternatively, he  answered according to R. Simeon's view, which he himself does not accept. Another alternative: he  speaks according to the view of the Rabbis. As for me, I do not accept mukzeh at all;  but even on your view, you must at least agree with me that if they go out on Passover and return at the rainfall they are home animals? But the Rabbis answered him: No! they are pasture animals. Rabbah b. Bar Hanah said in R. Johanan's name: They  ruled: The halachah is as R. Simeon. But did R. Johanan say thus? Surely a certain old man of Kirwaya-others say, of Sirvaya-asked R. Johanan: May a fowl-nest be handled on the Sabbath? He answered him: Is it made for aught but fowls?  — Here the circumstances are that it contains a dead bird.  That is well according to Mar b. Amemar in Raba's name, who said: R. Simeon admits that if living creatures die, they are forbidden;  but on the view of Mar son of R. Joseph in Raba's name, who maintained: R. Simeon differed even in respect of living creatures that died, [ruling] that they are permitted, what can be said? — The reference here is to one [sc. a hen coop] that contains an egg.  But R. Nahman said: He who accepts [the prohibition of] mukzeh accepts [that of] nolad; he who rejects mukzeh, rejects nolad? — That is when it contains the egg of a fledgling. When R. Isaac son of R. Joseph came,  he said in the name of R. Johanan The halachah is as R. Judah: while R. Joshua b. Levi said: The halachah is as R. Simeon. R. Joseph observed: Hence Rabbah b. Bar Hanah said in R. Johanan's name, They said, The halachah is as R. Simeon: they said, but he himself [R. Johanan] did not rule thus. Said Abaye to R. Joseph: And do you yourself not hold that R. Johanan [rules] as R. Judah?  Surely R. Abba and R. Assi visited R. Abba of Haifa,  when a candelabrum fell on R. Assi's robe, but he did not remove it. What is the reason? Surely because R. Assi was R. Johanan's disciple, and R. Johanan held as R. Judah, who maintained [the prohibition of] mukzeh? — You speak of a candelabrum? he replied. A candelabrum is different, for R. Aha b. Hanina said in R. Assi's name: Resh Lakish gave a practical ruling in Zidon: A candelabrum which can be lifted with one hand may be moved; that which requires two hands may not be moved. But R. Johanan said: In the matter of a lamp we accept no other view but R. Simeon's; but as for a candelabrum, whether it can be lifted by one hand or by two, it may not be moved.  And what is the reason? — Rabbah and R. Joseph both say: Because one appoints a place for it. Said Abaye to R. Joseph, But what of a bridal couch  for which [too] one appoints a place, yet Samuel said on R. Hiyya's authority: A bridal couch