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BUT IN THE COUNTRY THERE MUST BE TIME FOR THE FIRE TO TAKE HOLD OF ITS GREATER PART. R. JUDAH SAID: IN THE CASE OF CHARCOAL, JUST A LITTLE [SUFFICES]. GEMARA. And how much? — R. Eleazar said in Rab's name: That it may be roasted before sunset as the food of the son of Derusai. It was stated likewise: R. Assi said in R. Johanan's name: Whatever is as the food of the son of Derusai's not subject to [the interdict of] the cooking of Gentiles. It was taught: Hanina said: Whatever is as the food of the son of Derusai may be kept on the stove, though it is not swept [clear of the cinders] and besprinkled with ashes. BREAD MAY NOT BE PUT, etc. The scholars propounded: Does the BOTTOM [surface] mean the one by the oven, or perhaps BOTTOM means the one by the fire? — Come and hear: R. Eleazar said: There must be time for the surface adhering to the oven to form a crust. THE PASSOVER SACRIFICE MAY BE LOWERED, [etc.]. What is the reason? — Because the members of the company are extremely careful. But otherwise, it would not [be permitted]? Yet a Master said: [With the flesh of) a kid, whether it [the oven] is daubed round or not, it is well? — There it is cut up, whereas here it is not cut up. AND THE FIRE IS LIGHTED WITH CHIPS, etc. Whence do we know this? — Said R. Huna: Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations: [only] throughout your habitations you may not kindle, but you may kindle in the pile in the chamber of the Hearth. R. Hisda demurred: If so, even on the Sabbath too! Rather, said R. Hisda: The verse, when it comes, conies to permit [the burning of] limbs and the fat; while the priests are very particular. BUT IN THE COUNTRY, THERE MUST BE TIME FOR THE FIRE TO TAKE HOLD, etc. What is meant by 'their greater part?' — Rab said: the greater part of each [log]; and Samuel said: That it should not be said, Let us bring chips to place under them. R. Hiyya taught [a Baraitha which affords] support to Samuel: That the flame should ascend of its own accord, and not with the help of something else. As to a single log, Rab said: The greater part of its thickness; while others state, The greater part of its circumference. R. Papa observed: Therefore we require the greater part of both its thickness and its circumference. This is a controversy of Tannaim: R. Hiyya said: That the log may be rendered unfit for an artisan's work; R. Judah b. Bathyra said: That the fire should take hold on both sides. And though there is no proof of the matter, there is a hint thereof: the fire hath devoured both the ends of it, and the midst of it is burned; is it profitable for any work. And there was a fire in the ah burning before him, What is 'ah?' — Rab said, Willow-fire; while Samuel said: Logs kindled by willowfire. A certain man announced, who wants ahwawna? and it was found to be willows. R. Huna said: Canes do not require the greater part, [but] if they are tied together, the greater part is required; kernels [of dates] do not require the greater part; but if they are put in bales they require the greater part. R. Hisda demurred: On the contrary, [separate] canes may fall apart, but if tied together they cannot fall apart; kernels can fall apart, but if placed in bales they cannot? It was stated likewise,
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