Soncino English Talmud
Sanhedrin
Daf 71b
HE IS ADMONISHED IN THE PRESENCE OF THREE. Why so? Are not two sufficient? — Abaye answered: The Mishnah means this: He is admonished in the presence of two, and ordered lashes by a court of three. Where are lashes stated for a stubborn and rebellious son? — As in R. Abbahu's exegesis. For R. Abbahu said: we draw an analogy between and they shall chastise him, written twice; and [the meaning of] and they shall chastise him is deduced from [the fact that] ben [occurs in this passage], and then a further analogy is drawn between the word ben written here and in And it shall be if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten. IF HE TRANSGRESSES AGAIN AFTER THIS, HE IS TRIED BY A COURT OF TWENTY THREE etc. But is not this verse [sc. This our son] needed to teach, 'This', excluding blind parents? — if so, the Bible should have written, 'He is our son'. Why state, This our son? [Hence] deduce there from both. MISHNAH. IF HE [THE REBELLIOUS SON] FLED BEFORE HIS TRIAL WAS COMPLETED, AND THEN HIS NETHER HAIR GREW ROUND, HE IS FREE. BUT IF HE FLED AFTER HIS TRIAL WAS COMPLETED, AND THEN HIS NETHER HAIR GREW ROUND, HE REMAINS LIABLE. GEMARA. R. Hanina said: A Noachide who blasphemed the Divine Name and then became a proselyte, escapes punishment, since the judicial procedure and death are [thereby] changed. Shall we say that [the Mishnah] supports him? IF HE FLED BEFORE HIS TRIAL WAS COMPLETED AND THEN HIS NETHER HAIR GREW ROUND, HE IS FREE. Why so? Surely because since he has changed [in age] he has [also] changed [in liability]! — No, here [in the Mishnah] it is different, for should he transgress now, he is not liable at all. Come and hear: BUT IF HE FLED AFTER HIS TRIAL WAS COMPLETED, AND THEN HIS NETHER HAIR GREW ROUND, HE REMAINS LIABLE. — You speak of one who is actually sentenced! But once sentenced, he is [already] as dead. Come and hear: A Noachide who slew his neighbour [likewise a Shall we say that the following supports him? [For it was taught:] If she [sc. a betrothed maiden] sinned [by committing adultery], and then attained puberty [becoming a bogereth], she is strangled. Now, why not stoned? Surely, because since she is changed [physiologically], she is likewise changed [in respect of punishment]; how much more so in this case, where a complete change has taken place? — [This does not support him,] for R. Johanan said to the tanna: Read, she is stoned. MISHNAH. A 'STUBBORN AND REBELLIOUS SON' IS TRIED ON ACCOUNT OF HIS ULTIMATE DESTINY: LET HIM DIE INNOCENT AND LET HIM NOT DIE GUILTY. FOR THE DEATH OF THE WICKED BENEFITS THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD; OF THE RIGHTEOUS, INJURES THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD. WINE AND SLEEP OF THE WICKED BENEFIT THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD; OF THE RIGHTEOUS, INJURE THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD. THE SCATTERING OF THE WICKED BENEFITS THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD; OF THE RIGHTEOUS, INJURES THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD. THE ASSEMBLING OF THE WICKED INJURES THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD; OF THE RIGHTEOUS, BENEFITS THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD. THE TRANQUILLITY OF THE WICKED INJURES THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD; OF THE RIGHTEOUS, BENEFITS THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD.