Soncino English Talmud
Niddah
Daf 3b
But according to him who taught the first explanation [it may be objected:] Was it not in fact taught, in agreement with the latter version, that the reason is to avoid the neglect of propagation? It is this that Hillel in fact said to Shammai, 'Even if you give as your reason that "if in fact any blood were there it would have flowed out earlier," you must nevertheless make a fence for your ruling, for why should this law be different from all the Torah for which a fence is made?' To this the other replied, 'If so, you would cause the daughters of Israel to neglect marital life'. And Hillel? — 'Do I [he can reply] speak of marital life? I only speak of levitical cleanness'. And Shammai? — [Restrictions, he holds, must] not [be imposed] even as regards levitical cleanness, since otherwise the man might have scruples and keep away altogether. (Mnemonic: Bottom examined covered in a corner.) It was stated: If one corner of a basket was used for levitically clean objects and a dead creeping thing was found in another corner, Hezekiah ruled that the objects that were formerly clean remain clean. R. Johanan ruled: The objects that were formerly clean are now regarded as retrospectively unclean. But do not Shammai and Hillel in fact agree in the case of a basket that the objects that were formerly clean are deemed to be retrospectively unclean? — Shammai and Hillel agree only in the case of a basket that had a bottom, while Hezekiah and R. Johanan differ in that of a basket that had no bottom. But if the basket had no bottom what could be R. Johanan's reason? — It had no bottom, but it had a rim. But surely, it was taught: 'If a man drew ten buckets of water one after the other and a creeping thing was found in one of them, this one is unclean and all the others remain clean'; and in connection with this Resh Lakish citing R. Jannai stated, 'This was taught only in a case where the bucket had no rim but if it had a rim all the buckets of water are deemed to be unclean.' Now must it be assumed that Hezekiah does not adopt the view of R. Jannai? — [No, since] water glides while fruits do not glide; or else [it may be replied] one is not particular with water but with fruit one is particular. And if you prefer I might reply: Shammai and Hillel agree only in respect of a basket that was not [previously] examined