Soncino English Talmud
Bava Batra
Daf 163a
[include] themselves and the space between them or, perhaps, themselves [only] and not the space between them? — R. Nahman b. Isaac replied: It stands to reason that they and the space between them [were meant]; for if it could be assumed [that only] they [were meant] and not the space between them, of what use [is such a narrow space]? Consequently it follows [that] they and the space between them [were meant]. This proves it. R. Sabbathai said in the name of Hezekiah: The 'two lines' that were mentioned [are such as are] in the handwriting of the witnesses, not [in] the handwriting of the scribe. What is the reason? Because whoever [desires to] commit forgery does not go to a scribe to get it done. And how much [space]? — R. Isaac b. Eleazar said: As [much] for instance [as is required for the writing of] Lak Lak above one another. This shows that he is of the opinion [that the limit is] two [written] lines and four [intervening] spaces. R. Hiyya b. Ammi in the name of 'Ulla said: As [much] for instance [as is required for the writing of] a Lamed in the upper. and a [final] Kaph in the lower [line]. [from this] it clearly follows that he is of the opinion [that the limit is] two [written] lines and three [intervening] spaces. R. Abbahu said: As [much] for instance [as is necessary for the writing of] Baruk b. Levi in one line; [for] he holds the opinion [that the limit is] one [written] line and two [intervening] spaces. Rab said: What has been taught is only applicable [to the space] between the [signatures of the] witnesses and the text; but between the [signatures of the] witnesses and the legal attestation, even if [the blank space is] wider, [the deed] is valid. Why [is the limit] between the [signatures of the] witnesses and the text different [from the other]? Because, the witnesses having signed, [the holder of the deed] might commit forgery by entering [on it] whatever he desires! [In the case of the blank space] between the [signatures of the] witnesses and the attestation too, [could not] forgery be committed by entering whatever one desired and attaching the signature of witnesses? — [In the case] where [the blank space] is dotted with ink marks. If so, one [could] also dot with ink marks [any blank space] between the [signatures of the] witnesses and the [text of the] deed! — It might be assumed [that] the witnesses had confirmed the dotted [portion]. [In the case of dotted ink marks] between the [signatures of the] witnesses and the attestation, [would it not] also be assumed [that] the court had confirmed the dotted portion? — A court does not confirm an ink dotted [space]. Is [there no reason] to apprehend that the upper [portion of the deed], might be [entirely] cut off, the ink dots erased, any [terms] desired entered, and the signatures of witnesses [also] might be attached [and yet the deed would be regarded as valid], since Rab stated that a deed the text and the [signatures of the] witnesses of which appear on an erasure is legally valid?