Yoma — Daf 40a

אלא להך לישנא דאמרת פליגי בשלמא למאן דאמר לא מעכבא הא מני ר' יהודה היא

אלא למ"ד מעכבא הא מני תני מצוה להניח

ת"ש מצוה להגריל ולהתודות לא הגריל ולא התודה כשר וכי תימא הכי נמי להניח אימא סיפא רבי שמעון אומר לא הגריל כשר לא התודה פסול

מאי לא הגריל אילימא לא הניח מכלל דרבי. שמעון סבר הגרלה מעכבא והתניא מת אחד מהן מביא חבירו שלא בהגרלה דברי רבי שמעון

ר' שמעון לא ידע מאי קאמרי רבנן והכי קאמר להו אי הגרלה הגרלה ממש קא אמריתו פליגנא עלייכו בחדא אי הגרלה דקאמריתו היינו הנחה פליגנא עלייכו בתרתי

ת"ש פר מעכב את השעיר

ושעיר אין מעכב את הפר במתנות שבפנים

בשלמא פר מעכב את השעיר דאי אקדמיה לשעיר מקמי פר לא עבד ולא כלום אלא שעיר אין מעכב את הפר מאי ניהו

אילימא דאי אקדים מתנות דפר בהיכל מקמי מתנות דשעיר בפנים חוקה כתיב בהו

אלא לאו דאקדים מתנות דפר בפנים מקמי הגרלה ומדסדרא לא מעכבא עיקרא הגרלה נמי לא מעכבא

לא דאקדים מתנות דפר במזבח מקמי מתנות דשעיר בהיכל ורבי יהודה היא דאמר דברים הנעשין בבגדי לבן בחוץ לא מעכבי

והא במתנות שבפנים קתני

אלא הא מני רבי שמעון היא דאמר הגרלה לא מעכבא

ואיבעית אימא לעולם רבי יהודה היא ונהי דבסדרא לא מעכבא הגרלה מיהא מעכבא

ואזדו לטעמייהו דתניא

. But according to the version that they are disputing on R. Judah's view it would again be quite right according to him who holds it is dispensable, for then [the authority for this teaching] would be R. Judah; but according to him who considers it indispensable [the question is asked]: Who [will be the authority] for this [teaching]? Read: It is a command to place [the lots on the bullock's head].1 Come and hear: It is a command to cast the lots and to make confession. But if he had not cast the lots2 or made confession, [the service is] valid.3 And should you reply that here, too’ [you would read] ‘to place [the lot on the bullock's head]’, say then the second part: R. Simeon said: If he has not cast the lots, the service is still valid, but if he has failed to make confession, it is invalidated. Now what does ‘If he has not cast the lots’ mean? Would you say it means, ‘He has not placed the lots’,4 this would imply [would it not] that R. Simeon holds the casting of the lots is indispensable? But surely it was taught: If one of the two [bullocks] died, he brings the other without [new] casting of lots — these are the words of R. Simeon?5 — R. Simeon did not know what the Sages meant [with the Phrase ‘lo higril’]6 and thus he said to them: If by ‘hagralah’ you mean casting of the lots itself, I dispute with you on one matter, but if by ‘hagralah’ you mean the placing of the lots then I disagree with you on two counts.7 Come and hear: With regard to the sprinkling of the blood within the veil, [the regular service of] the bullock is indispensable for the service of the he-goat [to be valid]; but the regular service of the he-goat is not indispensable for the service of the bullock to be valid.8 Now, it is quite right that the regular service of the bullock is indispensable for the he-goat, e.g., if he performed the rites of the he-goat before those of the bullock, he has done nothing.9 But that [the regular service of] the he-goat is not indispensable to the bullock, what does it mean? Would you say [it means] that if he sprinkled the blood of the bullock in the Hekal before the sprinkling of the he-goat within [the veil]?10 But surely Scripture says ‘statute’!11 Rather must you say [it means that] if he sprinkled the blood of the bullock within, before the casting of the lots12 [it is valid]. Now since the order is not indispensable [is it not to be inferred that] the casting of the lots itself is not indispensable!13 — No, [it means that] he made the sprinkling of the blood of the bullock on the altar before sprinkling the blood of the he-goat in the Hekal14 and this [teaching] is in accord with R. Judah, who says that anything done in the white garments outside [the Holy of Holies] is dispensable. But does it not state ‘with regard to the sprinklings within’?15 Rather: It is in accord with R. Simeon who holds the casting of the lots is dispensable. Or, if you like, say: Still I say it is in accord with R. Judah,16 and although the order of the service is not indispensable, the casting of the lots is indispensable. And they follow their own principle.17 For it was taught: the ceremony invalid, Scripture repeating twice ‘on which the lot fell’, thus creating a precedent for the casting of the lots, but it refers only once to the placing of the lots on the bullock's head. may mean causing lots ‘to be cast’ or ‘to be placed’, hence grammatically either application is justified: ‘lo higril’ he did not cause the lots ‘to be cast’ or ‘to be placed’ (on the head etc.). R. Simeon did not know which interpretation had been offered by the Sages. He knew however that both are possible. that the casting of the lots is not indispensable, but if you mean by ‘hagralah’ the placing of the lots on the head etc. but the casting itself you consider indispensable, then I disagree with you on two counts: you hold casting indispensable, I do not; you hold confession not indispensable, I consider it indispensable. (i) First confession over the bullock; (ii) Casting lots over the he-goats; (iii) second confession over the bullock; (iv) Slaughtering of the bullock; (v) Bringing the spoon and fire pan into the Holy of Holies; (vi) Burning of incense; (vii) Sprinkling of blood of the bullock on the mercy-seat; (viii) Confession over and slaughtering of the he-goat; (ix) Sprinkling of the he-goat's blood on the mercy-seat; (x) Sprinkling of the blood of the bullock on the Veil, separating the Holy, the Hekal, from the Holy of Holies; (xi) Sprinkling of the blood of the he-goat on the Veil; (xii) Mixing together the blood of the he-goat and the bullock and applying the mixture on the golden altar. Here the rule is laid down that if he performed any one of the rites in connection with the he-goat before such of the bullock as should have preceded it, that rite is invalid and must be performed again in its proper order. If, however, he performed any of the rites in connection with the bullock before such of the he-goat as should have preceded it, that rite is not invalid.] irregularity of the service. that even R. Judah (and all the more R. Nehemiah) considers it indispensable. blood of the he-goat.]