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שבת 19:2
Soncino English Talmud · Berean Standard Bible
One may not finish them [at night]. And R. Eleazar [b. Pedath] said, It is R. Eleazar [b. Shammua']. For we learnt: If honeycombs are crushed on the eve of Sabbath and it [the honey] exudes spontaneously, it is forbidden; but R. Eleazar permits it. Now, as to R. Jose son of R. Hanina, what is the reason that he did not answer as R. Eleazar? — He can tell you: it is only there [that R. Eleazar permits it], since it was originally food and still food; but here it was originally food and now a liquid. And R. Eleazar [b. Pedath]? — He can answer you: But we know R. Eleazar [b. Shammua'] to hold that even olives and grapes are also permitted. For when R. Hoshaya came from Nehardea, he came and brought a Baraitha in his hands: If olives and grapes are crushed on the eve of Sabbath and they [their juices] exude spontaneously, they are forbidden; R. Eleazar and R. Simeon permit it. And R. Jose b. R. Hanina? — He did not know this Baraitha. And R. Eleazar! what is the reason that he did not answer as R. Jose son of R. Hanina? — He can tell you: was it not stated thereon: where they lack crushing there is no controversy at all; they differ only where pounding is lacking: and these too are similar to those that lack crushing. R. Jose son of R. Hanina gave a practical decision in accordance with R. Ishmael. As to the oil belonging to the pressers, and the mats of the pressers: Rab forbade it, and Samuel permitted it. As to coupled mattings Rab forbids them, and Samuel permits [them]. R. Nahman said: As to a goat [kept] for its milk, a ewe for its shearings, a fowl for its eggs, oxen for ploughing and dates for trading: Rab forbids, and Samuel permits [them], and they differ in the controversy of R. Simeon and R. Judah. A certain disciple gave a practical decision in Harta of Argiz in accordance with R. Simeon; thereupon R. Hamnuna banned him. But do we not hold as R. Simeon? — It was in the place of Rab, and so he should have acted accordingly. There were two disciples: one saved [food, etc.] in one utensil, and one saved [it] in four or five utensils; and they differ in the same dispute as that of Rabbah b. Zabda and R. Huna. MISHNAH. MEAT, ONION[S], AND EGG[S] MAY NOT BE ROASTED UNLESS THEY CAN BE ROASTED WHILE IT IS YET DAY. BREAD MAY NOT BE PUT INTO AN OVEN JUST BEFORE NIGHTFALL, NOR A CAKE UPON COALS, UNLESS ITS SURFACE CAN FORM A CRUST WHILE IT IS YET DAY; R. ELEAZAR SAID: THERE MUST BE TIME FOR THE BOTTOM [SURFACE] THEREOF TO FORM A CRUST. THE PASSOVER SACRIFICE MAY BE LOWERED INTO THE OVEN JUST BEFORE NIGHTFALL; AND THE FIRE MAY BE LIGHTED WITH CHIPS IN THE PILE IN THE CHAMBER OF THE HEARTH;
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