Parallel Talmud
Bava Batra — Daf 40a
Babylonian Talmud (Gemara) · Soncino English Talmud
ואין צריך לומר כתובו מודעא בפני שנים ואין צריך לומר כתובו
הודאה בפני שנים וצריך לומר כתובו קנין בפני שנים ואינו צריך לומר כתובו וקיום שטרות בשלשה
(סימן ממה"ק)
אמר רבא אי קשיא לי הא קשיא לי האי קנין היכי דמי אי כמעשה בית דין דמי ליבעי תלתא אי לא כמעשה בית דין דמי אמאי אינו צריך לומר כתובו
בתר דבעי הדר פשטא לעולם לאו כמעשה בית דין דמי והכא טעמא מאי דאינו צריך לומר כתובו משום דסתם קנין לכתיבה עומד
רבה ורב יוסף דאמרי תרוייהו לא כתבינן מודעא אלא אמאן דלא ציית דינא אביי ורבא דאמרי תרוייהו אפילו עלי ועליך אמרי נהרדעי כל מודעא
, and they are at liberty to write it down without being definitely instructed by the protester to do so. A moda'ah must be made in the presence of two persons, and they are at liberty to write it down without being definitely instructed to do so. An admission of a debt must be made in the presence of two persons, and they must not write it unless definitely instructed to do so. A transfer [by means of a cloth] must be carried out in the presence of two persons, and they may record it in writing without being definitely instructed to do so. For certifying [the signatures of witnesses to] documents [a Beth din of] three persons is required. (The mnemonic [for these is] Mamhak.) Said Raba: If I have any difficulty about any of these rulings, it is this: How are we to regard this legal transfer [by means of a cloth]? If it is on a par with a proceeding of the Beth din, then we should require three persons. If it is not on a par with the proceedings of the Beth din, why can it be recorded without the permission of the seller? — After posing the question, he himself resolved it. 'In fact a kinyan', he said, 'is not on the same footing as a proceeding of the Beth din, and the reason why the witnesses may record it in writing without definite instructions from the transferor is because a kinyan unless there are instructions to the contrary, is intended to be recorded in writing.' Both Rabbah and R. Joseph hold that a moda'ah should not be issued save against a man who does not obey the decisions of the Beth din. [This is not the opinion of] Abaye and Raba, who said [to one another]: It can be issued even against me and against you. The Nehardeans say that a moda'ah