Does the [size of] the date spoken of include the kernel or does it not? R. Ashi asked: Does ‘a bone as big as a barley-corn’ include the husk or does it not? [Is the reference to] a moist one or to a dry one? — R. Ashi did not ask the question posed by R. Papa: For ‘a big date’ was said, which means a date in its complete size. R. Papa did not ask the question propounded by R. Ashi, because a moist one would be called ‘shiboleth’ and one without its husk ‘ushla’. Rabbah said in the name of Rab Judah: The big date spoken of is bigger than an egg, and our Rabbis had established the fact that with such a quantity [a hungry person] becomes satisfied, but with less than that he does not become satisfied. An objection was raised: Once they brought to R. Johanan b. Zakkai a dish to taste and to Rabban Gamaliel two dates and a bucket of water, whereupon they said: Take them up to the Sukkah. (In connection therewith it was taught:) [They ordered so], not because that was the legal decision, but because they desired to take a severer view for themselves. And when someone gave R. Zadok a piece of food smaller than an egg, he would take it with a towel, eat it outside the Sukkah, and pronounce no blessing after it.9ᵃᵇᶜᵈᵉᶠᵍʰⁱ