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Temurah
Daf 15a
Samuel himself1 ruled ten years,2 there was one year in which both Saul and Samuel ruled3 and two years in which Saul himself ruled4 and thirty-six5 years in which David reigned.6 MISHNAH. A SIN-OFFERING OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHOSE OWNERS HAVE PROCURED ATONEMENT7 IS LEFT TO DIE,8 WHEREAS THAT OF A CONGREGATION9 IS NOT LEFT TO DIE.10 R. JUDAH, HOWEVER, SAYS: [IT IS] LEFT TO DIE.11 R. SIMEON SAID: WHAT DO WE FIND WITH REGARD TO THE OFFSPRING OF A DEDICATED ANIMAL, THE SUBSTITUTE OF A SIN-OFFERING AND A SIN-OFFERING WHOSE OWNERS DIED?12 [THAT THE RULES CONCERNING] THESE APPLY ONLY TO AN INDIVIDUAL BUT NOT A CONGREGATION. SIMILARLY [THE RULES CONCERNING] THE SIN-OFFERING WHOSE OWNERS HAVE PROCURED ATONEMENT AND [A SIN-OFFERING] WHOSE YEAR HAS PASSED13 APPLIES ONLY TO AN INDIVIDUAL BUT NOT A CONGREGATION.14 GEMARA. Our Rabbis have taught: Why does [Scripture] say: And if he bring [a lamb] for a sin-offering?15 Whence do we derive that if one dedicated a sin-offering and it became lost and he separated another animal in its place and the first animal was then found, and both are standing before us, whence do we derive that he may bring whichever one he chooses?16 The text states: ‘And if he bring a sin-offering’. One might think that he may bring both of them. The text however states: ‘He shall bring it’,17 implying one18 but not two. And what becomes of the second sin-offering? — Said R. Hamnuna: It has been taught: R. Judah says, It is left to pasture, whereas R. Simeon says: It is left to die.19 But does indeed R. Judah hold that it is left to pasture? Have we not heard R. Judah to hold that IT IS LEFT TO DIE?20 — Reverse [the names in the above Baraitha] as follows: R. Judah says: It is left to die, whereas R. Simeon says: It is left to pasture. But does indeed R. Simeon hold that is is left to pasture? Did not R. Simeon say: Five sin-offerings are left to die?21 — Rather you need not at all reverse [the names of the Baraitha above] and there is no difficulty.22 There,23 [we are dealing] with a case where [the first sin-offering] was lost when the second animal was separated [for a sin-offering],24 and here,25 we are dealing with a case where [the first sin-offering] was lost at the time of the atonement [by means of the second animal].26 And if you prefer [another solution] I may say, In both cases we suppose [the first sin-offering] was lost at the time of the separating [of the second animal]27 and yet there is no difficulty.28 This29 is the opinion of R. Judah according to Rabbi,30 and that31 is the opinion of R. Judah according to the Rabbis.32 But33 is there an authority who holds that a congregational sin-offering whose owners procured atonement is left to die? years, up to the rebellion of Absalom. We have thus forty-nine years. Deduct from this nine years for Samuel's leadership before the Israelites asked for a king, and we find that when Absalom revolted it was forty years since the Israelites had asked for a king; v. Nazir 5a. that of a congregation. of a sin-offering, for a congregation cannot bring a female animal; the substitute of a sin-offering, since a congregation cannot effect an exchange; and finally the case where the owners of a sin-offering die, this law not applying to a congregation, as explained later in the Gemara. offering. individual. is the case of the sin-offerings whose owners have procured atonement. found before atonement is obtained by means of the second animal, the latter is left to die. procured atonement by means of the second animal. die.
Sefaria
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