Soncino English Talmud
Taanit
Daf 14b
; he ordained thirteen fast days and their prayer was not answered. He thought of ordaining additional fasts but R. Ammi said to him,’Did not [the Sages] declare we should not trouble the community unduly’. Said R. Abba the son of R. Hiyya b. Abba, ‘R. Ammi [in saying this] was studying his own interests’,1 for thus did R. Hiyya b. Abba say in the name of R. Johanan: The statement [cited by R. Ammi] holds good only so far [as fasts for] rain are concerned, but in the case of other forms of visitation the fasts are continued until their prayers are answered from heaven. It has been taught to the same effect: When they [the Sages] instituted the order of fasts for [twice] three days, and then a further seven days, they intended these to be applicable only in the case of fasts for rain, but in all other forms of visitation the fasts are to be continued until their prayers are answered from heaven. Shall we say that this will be a refutation of R. Ammi? — R. Ammi can answer you: The Tannaim are divided on this question. For it has been taught: Not more than thirteen fasts are ordained upon the community because we should not trouble the community unduly; this is the opinion of Rabbi. R. Simeon b. Gamaliel says: This is not the real reason2 [why no additional fasts are ordained] but it is because after these thirteen fasts the time of rainfall has gone. The inhabitants of Nineveh3 sent to enquire of Rabbi: How should we who need rain even in the Tammuz cycle act?4 Are we to consider ourselves individuals and [insert the special prayer for rain] in ‘Who hearkenest unto prayer’. or shall we consider ourselves a community and [insert it] in the ‘Blessing of the Years’?5 He sent [word] back to them: Consider yourselves individuals and [insert the prayer] in, ‘Who hearkenest unto prayer’. An objection was raised [against this]: R. Judah said: When did this order of fasts apply? Only at such times when the seasons of the year were normal6 and Israel dwelt in their own land, but to-day all depends upon the years, the countries and the seasons! He replied:7 You cite a Baraitha in refutation of Rabbi; Rabbi is a Tanna and has the right to differ [from a Baraitha]. What is the final decision [with regard to this matter]? — R. Nahman said: [The blessing is inserted] in the Blessing of the Years. R. Shesheth said: In ‘Who hearkenest unto prayer’. The Law is [it is inserted in]. ‘Who hearkenest unto prayer’. ON MONDAYS THE SHUTTERS [OF THE SHOPS] ARE OPENED A LITTLE WHEN IT GETS DARK; BUT ON THURSDAYS THEY ARE PERMITTED8 THE WHOLE DAY IN HONOUR OF THE SABBATH. The question was raised: How did [the Mishnah] teach? Was it that on Mondays the shutters are opened a little when it gets dark and on Thursdays they are opened [a little] during the whole day in honour of the Sabbath, or perhaps, that on Mondays they are open a little and on Thursdays they are open wide for the whole day? — Come and hear: It has been taught: On Mondays they are opened slightly till the evening and on Thursdays they remain wide open the whole day in honour of the Sabbath; should there be two doors then one is kept open and the other remains closed; should there be a stand9 in front of the door he may open [the door] in the usual way without any compunction. IF THESE ‘PASSED WITHOUT THEIR PRAYER BEING ANSWERED THEN BUSINESS DEALINGS ARE RESTRICTED AS WELL AS BUILDING AND PLANTING. It has been taught: By BUILDING [is to be understood] building for joyous purposes, and by PLANTING planting for joyous purposes. What is ‘building’ for joyous purposes? — Building a house for the marriage-feast of one's own son. What is ‘planting’ for joyous purposes? When one erects a royal banqueting hall. 10 AND GREETING. Our Rabbis taught: Scholars do not greet one another at all; the greetings of the ignorant are reciprocated in an undertone in a solemn manner; people are seated covered in mourner's fashion and like those placed under the ban, and like men labouring under Divine displeasure, until mercy is shown to them from heaven. R. Eleazar said: A prominent man should not fall upon his face11 unless he is confident that he will be answered like Joshua. as it is said, And the Lord said unto Joshua. ‘Get thee up; wherefore now art thou fallen upon thy face?’12 R. Eleazar further said: A prominent man should not put on sackcloth unless he is confident that he will be answered like Jehoram, the Son of Ahab, as it is said, And it came to pass, when the king heard the words of the woman, that he rent his clothes — now he was passing by upon the wall — and the people looked, and, behold, he had sackcloth within upon his flesh, etc.13 R. Eleazar further said: Not everyone [is answered] through rending his garments nor is everyone [answered] through falling [on his face]. Moses and Aaron [were answered] through falling [on the face], Joshua and Caleb through rending [their] garments. Moses and Aaron through falling [on the face]; for it is written, Then Moses and Aaron fell on their faces.14 Joshua and Caleb through rending [their] garments, for it is written, And Joshua the son of Num and Caleb ... rent their clothes.15 R. Ze'ira and some say, R. Samuel b. Nahmani demurred to this. Had it been written [in the verse] ‘Joshua’. it would be as you say, but seeing that the verse reads ‘And Joshua’, they may have done both.16 R. Eleazar further said: Not all [will in the Messianic era] rise [before Israel], nor will all prostrate themselves; kings will rise and princes prostrate themselves; ‘Kings will rise’, for it is written, Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One conditions of the country and the stony nature of the territory rendered it necessary for them to have rain even in the summer season.] their garments in the same way as they both fell on their faces.