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Daf 7b
WHO IS REGARDED AS 'VIRGIN'? ANY WOMAN, EVEN THOUGH SHE IS MARRIED, WHO HAS NEVER YET OBSERVED A FLOW. 'A WOMAN IN PREGNANCY'? ONE WHOSE EMBRYO CAN BE DISCERNED. 'A NURSING WOMAN'? A WOMAN BEFORE SHE HAS WEANED HER CHILD. IF SHE GAVE HER CHILD TO A NURSING WOMAN, IF SHE WEANED IT, OR IF IT DIED, R. MEIR RULED: SHE CONVEYS UNCLEANNESS RETROSPECTIVELY FOR TWENTY-FOUR HOURS; BUT THE SAGES RULED: IT SUFFICES FOR HER [TO RECKON HER PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME OF HER [OBSERVATION OF THE FLOW]. WHO IS REGARDED AS 'AN OLD WOMAN'? ANY WOMAN OVER WHOM THREE 'ONAHS HAVE PASSED NEAR THE TIME OF HER OLD AGE. R. ELIEZER RULED: FOR ANY WOMAN OVER WHOM HAVE PASSED THREE 'ONAHS IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON HER PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME OF HER [OBSERVING OF A FLOW]. R. JOSE RULED: FOR A WOMAN IN PREGNANCY AND A NURSING WOMAN OVER WHOM THREE 'ONAHS HAVE PASSED IT SUFFICES [TO RECKON THEIR PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME OF THEIR [OBSERVATION OF THE FLOW]. AND OF WHAT DID THEY SPEAK WHEN THEY LAID DOWN THAT 'IT SUFFICES [FOR THEM TO RECKON] THEIR PERIOD OF UNCLEANNESS FROM THE TIME [OF THEIR DISCOVERING OF THE FLOW]'? OF A FIRST OBSERVATION, BUT AT A SUBSEQUENT OBSERVATION SHE CONVEYS UNCLEANNESS RETROSPECTIVELY FOR A PERIOD OF TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. IF, HOWEVER, SHE SUFFERED THE FIRST FLOW ON ACCOUNT OF AN ACCIDENT IT SUFFICES FOR HER EVEN AT A SUBSEQUENT OBSERVATION [TO RECKON HER UNCLEANNESS FROM] THE TIME OF HER [OBSERVING OF THE FLOW]. GEMARA. It was taught: R. Eliezer said to R. Joshua, 'You have not heard but I have heard; you have only heard one tradition but I have heard many; people do not ask him who has not seen the new moon to come and tender evidence but only him who has seen it.' Throughout the lifetime of R. Eliezer the people acted in accordance with the ruling of R. Joshua, but after the passing away of R. Eliezer, R. Joshua re-introduced the earlier practice. Why did he not follow R. Eliezer during his lifetime? — Because R. Eliezer was a disciple of Shammai and he felt that if they would act in agreement with his ruling in one matter they would act in agreement with his rulings in other matters also and that out of respect for R. Eliezer no one could interfere with them; but after the passing away of R. Eliezer, when the people could well be interfered with, he re-introduced the original practice. Rab Judah citing Samuel ruled: The halachah is in agreement with R. Eliezer in four cases. One is that which has just been mentioned. The other is that about a woman who was in a hard travail [concerning whom it was stated:] For how long must she be relieved from pain so as to be regarded a zabah? Twenty-four hours; so R. Eliezer. And the halachah is in agreement with his view. And the third is the following: If a zab and a zabah examined themselves on the first day and found themselves clean and on the seventh day also and found themselves clean, but did not examine themselves during the other days, R. Eliezer ruled: Behold these are in a presumptive condition of cleanness, and R. Joshua ruled: They are entitled [to reckon as clean] only the first day and the seventh day, while R. Akiba ruled: They are entitled [to reckon as clean] the seventh day alone, and it was taught: R. Simeon and R. Jose stated, 'The view of R. Eliezer is more feasible than that of R. Joshua, while that of R. Akiba is more feasible than those of both, but the halachah agrees with that of R. Eliezer'. And the fourth is the following. For we have learnt: If the outer sides of vessels were rendered unclean by liquids, R. Eliezer ruled, they convey uncleanness to other liquids but they do not render foodstuffs unfit. 'They convey uncleanness to liquids' even where the latter are common, but they 'do not render foodstuffs unfit', even where the latter are terumah. R. Joshua ruled: They convey uncleanness to liquids and also render foodstuffs unfit. Said R. Joshua: This may be inferred a minori ad majus: If a tebul yom who does not convey uncleanness to a common liquid, nevertheless renders foodstuffs of terumah unfit how much more then should the outsides of vessels which do convey uncleanness to an unconsecrated liquid render foodstuffs of terumah unfit. And R. Eliezer? — The uncleanness of the outsides of vessels is only Rabbinical while that of a tebul yom is pentateuchal; and, where it is a question of deducing a Rabbinical from a Pentateuchal law, no inference a minori ad majus can be applied. For in accordance with Pentateuchal law no foodstuff conveys uncleanness to a vessel and no liquid conveys uncleanness to a vessel, and it is only the Rabbis that have ordained such uncleanness as a preventive measure against possible laxity in the case of the fluid of a zab or a zabah; hence it is only in the case of liquids, which are prone to contract uncleanness, that the Rabbis have enacted a preventive measure, but in that of foodstuffs, since they are not prone to contract uncleanness, the Rabbis enacted no preventive measure. What, however, is the reason for the mention of the outsides of vessels? — Because their restrictions are lighter. For we have learnt: If the outside of a vessel came in contact with unclean liquids, its outside becomes unclean while its inside, its hanger, its rim and its handles remain clean, but if its inside has become unclean all of it is unclean. But what does Samuel teach us, seeing that in all these cases we learnt that the law [was in agreement with R. Eliezer]? And should you reply that he mainly informed us about the 'outsides of vessels' concerning which we did not learn [elsewhere what the law was], why [it could be retorted] did he not simply state, 'The halachah is in agreement with R. Eliezer in the case of the outsides of vessels'? — The fact is that it is this that he informed us: That the halachah may not be derived from a theoretical statement. But are there no more [than the four rulings]? Is there not in fact another, since we have learnt: R. Eliezer ruled,
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