Chullin

Hence [it is possible for] the prohibition of consecrated things to come into force first!1 — Notwithstanding that the prohibition of consecrated things comes into force first, the prohibition of the nerve can be superimposed upon it, for its prohibition is binding even upon the sons of Noah.2 Whom did you hear maintain this view?3 R. Judah, is it not? But our Mishnah cannot be in agreement with R. Judah, for it reads IT APPLIES TO CATTLE AND TO WILD ANIMALS, TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT HIP!4 — This Tanna [of our Mishnah] agrees with him [R. Judah] on one point3 and disagrees on the other point. But perhaps you heard R. Judah apply this argument only to the case of an unclean animal since it is forbidden by a prohibition only;5 but have you heard him apply it also to consecrated things for which there is a penalty of Kareth?6 — Rather it must be that we are dealing with the case of a firstling which is consecrated only [when it comes forth out of] the womb.7 Alternatively, you may say that the young of consecrated animals are themselves consecrated only when they come into being.8 R. Hiyya b. Joseph said: They taught this only concerning consecrated animals that may be eaten,9 but with regard to consecrated animals that are not eaten10 the prohibition of the nerve does not apply. But R. Johanan said: The prohibition of the nerve applies both to consecrated animals that may be eaten and to those that are not eaten. Said R. Papa: There is really no dispute between them, for the one refers to the question of stripes11 whereas the other refers to the question of offering it.12 Others report R. Papa's statement thus: There is really no dispute between them, for the one refers to the removal thereof13 whereas the other refers to the offering up of it.14 R. Nahman b. Isaac said: They disagree about offering it up.15 For it was taught: And the Priest shall burn the whole upon the altar,16 this includes bones, nerves, horns and hoofs. I might think that [it is so] even if they were severed,17 the text therefore states: And thou shalt offer thy burnt-offerings, the flesh and the blood.18 But since it is written ‘the flesh and the blood’, I might think that one must first cut away the nerves and bones and then offer the flesh upon the altar, it is therefore written: ‘And the priest shall burn the whole upon the altar’. How [are these verses to be reconciled]? If they19 are still attached [to the limb], they may be offered up; if they are severed, even if they are already on the top of the altar, they must come down.20 Now which Tanna have you heard say that if they were severed [and offered up] they must come down? It is Rabbi. For it has been taught: ‘And the priest shall burn the whole’, this includes bones, nerves, horns and hoofs, even if they are severed. And how do I explain the verse: ‘And thou shalt offer thy burnt-offerings, the flesh and the blood’? With reference to those portions which have jumped off [the altar]; thus, only half-burnt flesh you may replace [if it had jumped off the altar], but you may not replace half-burnt nerves and bones. Rabbi says: One verse reads: ‘And the priest shall burn the whole’, which includes [everything], whilst another verse reads: ‘And thou shalt offer thy burnt-offerings, the flesh and the blood’, which excludes [everything else]. How [are the verses to be reconciled]? Thus if they19 are still attached [to the limb], they may be offered up; if they are severed, even if they are on the top of the altar, they must come down. And the Rabbis? — They maintain that when they are still attached [to the limb] no verse is necessary to include them, for they are on the same footing as the head of a burnt-offering;21 consequently the verse is only necessary to include them when severed. And Rabbi? — [He says,] as regards the permitted parts which are still attached [to the limb, I admit that] prohibition of the sciatic nerve only comes into force later when the network of nerves is firmly knit together. upon an existing prohibition which is less comprehensive in its application. prohibition (sc. that of the sciatic nerve) can be superimposed. severe, no further prohibitions can be superimposed. things attach simultaneously, but it does not apply to other consecrated animals for they are consecrated even while a foetus in the womb, so that the prohibition of the sciatic nerve cannot be superimposed later. nerve, however, came into force earlier when it was a foetus in the womb. interprets just the reverse: R. Hiyya b. Joseph teaches that he that eats it does not suffer stripes, and R. Johanan teaches that it may not be offered upon the altar. before offering up the animal upon the altar. upon the altar. may not. In many MS.S. the reading in the text is: ‘They disagree about the removal of it’; i.e., according to R. Hiyya b. Joseph it need not be removed, according to R. Johanan it must. It seems that before Rashi both texts were in the Gemara. V. D.S. a.l. every complete limb may be offered although it contains bones and nerves.