Soncino English Talmud
Chullin
Daf 21a
But after all does not the original objection stand?1 — Raba answered: Read [in the text]. ‘This is what he does: He [the priest] cuts [with his finger-nail] the spinal cord and the neckbone without cutting through the major portion of the surrounding flesh’.2 When R. Zera went up [to palestine] he found R. Ammi sitting and reciting the above statement [of Ze'iri], and at once put to him the question: Why proceed with the nipping if it is already dead? He was astounded for a moment,3 but then replied. Read [in the text]. This is what he does: He cuts [with his finger-nail] the spinal cord and the neckbone without cutting through the major portion of the surrounding flesh. The same is taught [in the following Baraitha]: How must he [the priest] nip off [the head] of the sin-offering of a bird? He cuts [with his finger-nail] the spinal cord and the neckbone without cutting through the major portion of the surrounding flesh, until he reaches the gullet or the windpipe. On reaching the gullet or the windpipe he cuts through one of them or the major portion of one of them, and then cuts through the major portion of the surrounding flesh. In the case of a burnt-offering he cuts through both, or the major portion of both, of these organs. Who is the author of this [Baraitha]? Is it the Rabbis?4 Surely they hold that both organs must be severed! Is it R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon?4 Surely he holds that the major portion only of both organs [shall be cut through]! — Interpret it thus: ‘Both organs’ — that is, according to the view of the Rabbis; ‘or the major portion of both organs’ — that is, according to the view of R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon. If you wish, however, I can say that the whole [Baraitha] is in accordance with the view of R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon, and as to the term ‘both organs’ it means that both organs appear to be severed. 5 Rab Judah said in the name of Samuel: If [in a human being] the neckbone and the major portion of the surrounding flesh was broken, the body immediately defiles6 [men and vessels that are] in the tent. And if you will contend: But was not the incident of Eli a case where the neckbone was broken without the major portion of the surrounding flesh having been cut?7 [I reply that] in the case of old age it is different, for it is written: And it came to pass when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell off his seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck broke and he died; for he was an old man and heavy.8 R. Samuel b. Nahmani said in the name of R. Johanan. If one ripped up a human being as one does a fish, the body immediately defiles [men and vessels that are] in the tent. R. Samuel b. Isaac added: provided [he was ripped up] along the back. Samuel said: If one split an animal into two, it is immediately nebelah. R. Eleazar said: If the thigh was removed and the cavity was noticeable, the animal is [immediately] nebelah. What is the meaning of ‘And the cavity was not8 ceable’? — Raba replied: It means that when the animal is crouching there appears to be something missing. We have learnt elsewhere:9 If their10 heads have been cut off, even though their limbs move convulsively, they are unclean[the convulsions being] but similar to the convulsive movements of the lizard's tail [after it has been cut off].11 What is meant by ‘Have been cut off’? — Resh Lakish said, [It means] actually cut off; R. Assi said in the name of R. Mani, [It means severed in the sense] as the head of the burnt-offering of a bird is severed. Whereupon R. Jeremiah asked R. Assi: Do you mean ‘as the head of the burnt-offering of a bird is severed’ according to the view of the Rabbis,12 and so you do not disagree at all; or do you mean ‘as the head of the burnt-offering of a bird is severed’ according to the view of R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon,13 and so you do disagree? — He replied: I mean, ‘as the head of the burnt-offering of a bird is severed’ according to the view of R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon, and so we disagree. Some there are who read [the above passage thus]: Resh Lakish said: It means actually cut off; R. Assi said in the name of R. Mani, [It means severed in the sense] as the head of the burnt-offering of a bird is severed according to the view of R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon, [and that is.] cut off to the extent of the greater portion of both organs. What is [this dispute between] the Rabbis and R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon? — It was taught: It is written: And he shall prepare the second for a burnt-offering, according to the ordinance.14 This means, according to the ordinance prescribed for the sin-offering of an animal. You say it means, ‘according to the ordinance prescribed for the sin-offering of an animal’; but perhaps it is not so, but rather, according to the ordinance prescribed for the sin-offering of a bird! [This cannot be], for when it says. And he shall bring it near,15 the verse thereby draws a distinction between the sin-offering of a bird and the burnt-offering of a bird. How then must I interpret the verse: ‘According to the ordinance’? [It must mean,] according to the ordinance of the sin-offering of an animal. Thus, as the sin-offering of an animal must be brought supra n. 1. as though both organs were severed, although in reality only the major portion of each has been actually cut through. (Tosaf.). Lakish. stated serves to indicate that this sacrifice must be dealt with differently from others of the same class.
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