Zevachim — Daf 93a

בעא מיניה רמי בר חמא מרב חסדא ניתז על בגד טמא מהו אמר רב הונא בריה דרב יהושע מדקמיבעיא ליה הכי ש"מ היתה לה שעת הכושר ונפסלה אין דמה טעון כיבוס

ה"מ בזה אחר זה אבל בבת אחת לא או דלמא לא שנא א"ל פלוגתא דר"א ורבנן אליבא דרבה וכדקא מתריץ אביי

דתניא ר' אלעזר אומר מי חטאת שנטמאו מטהרין שהרי נדה מזין עליה

ואמר רבה ר"א בשיטת ר"ע רבו אמרה דאמר העברת כלי על גבי מקום טמא כמונח דמי

דתנן היה עומד חוץ לתנור ושרץ בתנור והושיט ידו לחלון ונטל את הלגין והעבירו ע"פ תנור ר"ע מטמא וחכמים מטהרין ובהא פליגי דר' עקיבא סבר כמונח דמי ורבנן סברי לאו כמונח דמי

ואיתיביה אביי מודה רבי עקיבא בהזאה שהעבירה על כלי חרס טמא על גבי משכב ומושב טמא שהיא טהורה שאין לך דבר שמטמא למעלה כלמטה אלא כזית מן המת ושאר כל המאהילין לאיתויי אבן המנוגעת

אלא אמר אביי דכ"ע לאו כמונח דמי והכא בהא קמיפלגי דרבי עקיבא סבר גזרינן שמא ינוח ורבנן סברי לא גזרינן ומודה רבי עקיבא בהזאה כיון דנפק נפק

ורבי אלעזר ורבנן במאי קמיפלגי אמר אביי בדנין טומאה קדומה מטומאה שבאותה שעה קמיפלגי

מ"ס דנין ומ"ס אין דנין

רבא אמר דכ"ע אין דנין

והכא בהא קמיפלגי דר"א סבר הזאה צריכה שיעור ומצטרפין להזאות ורבנן סברי הזאה אין צריכה שיעור:

חטאת פסולה כו': ת"ר מדמה מדם כשירה ולא מדם פסולה ר"ע אומר היתה לה שעת הכושר ונפסלה דמה טעון כיבוס לא היתה לה שעת הכושר ונפסלה אין דמה טעון כיבוס

ור"ש אומר אחד זה ואחד זה אין דמה טעון כיבוס מאי טעמא דרבי שמעון כתיב אותה וכתיב מדמה חד להיכא דהיתה לו שעת הכושר

ורבי עקיבא אותה פרט לתרומה ור"ש לטעמיה דאמר קדשים קלים אין טעונין מריקה ושטיפה וכ"ש תרומה:

מתני׳ ניתז מן הצואר על הבגד אינו טעון כיבוס מן הקרן ומן היסוד אינו טעון כיבוס נשפך על הרצפה ואספו אין טעון כיבוס אין טעון כיבוס אלא דם שנתקבל בכלי וראוי להזאה:

גמ׳ ת"ר יכול ניתז מן הצואר על הבגד יהא טעון כיבוס ת"ל אשר יזה לא אמרתי לך אלא בראוי להזאה תניא אידך יכול ניתז מן הקרן ומן היסוד יהא טעון כיבוס ת"ל אשר יזה פרט לזה שכבר הוזה:

נשפך על הרצפה כו':

Rami b. Hama asked R. Hisda: What if it spurted on to an unclean garment?1 R. Huna the son of R. Joshua observed: Since he asks thus, you may infer that he holds that if it had a period of fitness and was disqualified, its blood does not necessitate washing. [Nevertheless his question is:] is that only when they come consecutively, but not when they come simultaneously; or perhaps there is not difference?2 — He [R. Hisda] replied: This is a controversy of R. Eleazar and the Rabbis, in accordance with Rabbah's view, and as explained by Abaye. For it was taught: R. Eleazar said: If the water of lustration3 was defiled, it cleanses [an unclean person],4 for lo, we sprinkle [the water of lustration] upon a niddah.5 Now Rabbah observed: R. Eleazar said this in accordance with the thesis of R. Akiba, his teacher, who maintained that when the vessel [containing the water of lustration] is carried over an unclean place, it is as though it rested there.6 For we learnt: If a man stood on the outer side of an oven, and a reptile was in the oven, and he put forth his hand to the window, took a flask, and carried it across the oven,7 R. Akiba declares it unclean, while the Rabbis declare it clean. Now, they disagree in this: R. Akiba holds that it is as lying,8 while the Rabbis hold that it is not as lying [thereon]. But Abaye raised an objection: [It was taught:] R. Akiba admits that in the case of sprinkling, if one carried it over an unclean earthen vessel or over an unclean couch or seat, it is clean,9 for nothing defiles above as below10 save as much as an olive of a corpse and other things which defile through overshadowing,11 which includes a leprous stone!12 Rather said Abaye: All agree that it is not as though it lay thereon, but here they differ in this: R. Akiba holds that we enact a preventive measure, lest it lay thereon;13 while the Rabbis hold that we do not enact a preventive measure. But R. Akiba admits in the case of sprinkling,14 for since it has gone out, it has gone out.15 Now, wherein do R. Eleazar and the Rabbis disagree?16 — Said Abaye: They disagree as to whether we draw an analogy between previous defilement and contemporary defilement: one master holds that we draw an analogy,17 and the other master holds that we do not draw an analogy.18 Raba said: All hold that we do not draw an analogy; but here they disagree in this: R. Eleazar holds that sprinkling requires a [minimum] standard, and sprinklings combine; while the Rabbis hold that sprinkling does not require a [minimum] standard.19 THE BLOOD OF A DISQUALIFIED SIN-OFFERING etc. Our Rabbis taught: [And when there is sprinkled] of the blood thereof20 [that means,] of the blood of a fit [sacrifice], but not of the blood of a disqualified [one].21 R. Akiba22 said: If it had a period of fitness and was [subsequently] disqualified, its blood necessitates washing; if it did not have a period of fitness and was disqualified ab initio, its blood does not necessitate washing. Whereas R. Simeon maintained: In both cases its blood does not necessitate washing. What is R. Simeon's reason? — ‘Thereof’ is written,23 and ‘of the blood thereof’ is written:24 one [excludes] where it had a period of fitness, and the other excludes where it did not have a period of fitness.25 And R. Akiba?26 — ‘Thereof’ excludes terumah.27 R. Simeon, however, is consistent with his view, for he maintained: Lesser sacrifices do not necessitate scouring and rinsing, and how much the more terumah!28 MISHNAH. IF [BLOOD] SPURTED [DIRECT] FROM THE [ANIMAL'S] THROAT ON TO A GARMENT, IT DOES NOT NECESSITATE WASHING; FROM THE HORN OR FROM THE BASE [OF THE ALTAR], IT DOES NOT NECESSITATE WASHING. IF IT POURED OUT ON TO THE PAVEMENT AND [THE PRIEST] COLLECTED IT, IT29 DOES NOT NEED WASHING. ONLY BLOOD WHICH WAS RECEIVED IN A VESSEL AND IS FIT FOR SPRINKLING NECESSITATES WASHING. GEMARA. Our Rabbis taught: You might think that, if [the blood] spurted from the throat on to the garment, it necessitates washing; therefore it states, ‘and when there is sprinkled [etc.]’: I ordered thee [to wash the garment] only when [the blood] is fit for sprinkling.30 Another [Baraitha] taught: You might think that, if it spurted from the horn or from the base, it requires washing, therefore it states, ‘and when there shall be sprinkled’: that excludes this [blood], which was already sprinkled. IF IT POURED OUT ON TO THE PAVEMENT etc. touched the garment, and hence does not necessitate washing; or perhaps the defilement of the blood and the obligation to wash the garment came simultaneously? been fit and then become disqualified, it certainly does not necessitate washing. But his question is whether that is only where these came consecutively, i.e., first the blood was disqualified and then it spurted on to the garment; or does it hold good even when both are simultaneous? purificatory rite; v. Num. XIX. the dead, we besprinkle her with the water of lustration, while she is still a niddah, and the subsequent immersion counts for both forms of uncleanness, since we do not find Scripture ordering her first to perform immersion as a niddah and then to be besprinkled and repeat her immersion on account of her defilement through the dead. Now, as the water of lustration touches her, it is defiled itself through contact with a niddah, and yet it cleanses her. Now the analogy is apparently faulty, for here the defilement of the water and its sprinkling upon the woman are simultaneous, whereas R. Eleazar speaks of a case where the water was defiled first. Rabbah proceeds to explain why R. Eleazar regards it nevertheless as a true analogy. reptile, which made it unclean. A man, standing on the outer side of the oven, took the flask from the window, and in taking it to himself naturally carried it above the oven, through the air-space. etc., it remains clean. (technically called a tent) as the defiled. E.g., everything in a room containing a corpse, or as much as an olive of a corpse, is unclean through being under the same covering as the corpse. unclean through a reptile does not defile through overshadowing. Hence this contradicts Rabbah's statement that R. Akiba holds there too that the air-space above an article defiles the water of lustration just as though it touched it. lest one lay it (thereon). — Thus the vessel (and, of course, its contents) are only Rabbinically unclean, but clean by Scriptural law. p. 446). sin-offering spurts on to an unclean garment, R. Eleazar will rule that it must be regarded as unclean (hence disqualified for sprinkling) even before it spurted, and therefore the garment need not be washed. The Rabbis, however, who reject this view, will rule that it must be washed. This then is the answer to Rami b. Hama's question, sc. that it is dependent on Tannaim. nevertheless it is defiled when it falls on the niddah. Hence at the next sprinkling, which is to combine with the first, the first is already unclean. Therefore it is a case of previous defilement, and is completely analogous to sprinkling with defiled water of lustration. The Rabbis, however, maintain that sprinkling does not require a minimum standard, and so the first counts as sprinkling; hence defilement and sprinkling are simultaneous, and no inference can be drawn in respect of previous defilement. — The R. Eleazar here is R. Eleazar b. Shammu'a, a disciple of R. Akiba; the R. Eliezer supra 80a, who maintains that sprinkling does not require a minimum standard, is R. Eliezer b. Hyrcanus.