Zevachim — Daf 42a

אבל דמים הניתנין על המזבח הפנימי כגון ארבעים ושלש של יום הכיפורים ואחד עשר של פר כהן משיח ואחד עשר של פר העלם דבר של ציבור פיגל בין בראשונה ובין בשניה ובין בשלישית רבי מאיר אומר פיגול וחייבין עליו כרת וחכמים אומרים אין בו כרת עד שיפגל בכל המתיר

קתני מיהא פיגל בין בראשונה בין בשניה בין בשלישית ופליג

אמר רב יצחק בר אבין הכא במאי עסקינן כגון שפיגל בשחיטה דחד מתיר הוא אי הכי מאי טעמא דרבנן

אמר רבא מאן חכמים רבי אליעזר היא דתנן הקומץ והלבונה והקטורת ומנחת כהנים ומנחת כהן משיח ומנחת נסכים שהקריב מאחת מהן כזית בחוץ חייב ור' אליעזר פוטר עד שיקריב את כולן

והאמר רבא ומודה רבי אליעזר בדמים דתנן רבי אליעזר ור' שמעון אומרים ממקום שפסק משם הוא מתחיל

אלא אמר רבא כגון שפיגל בראשונה ושתק בשניה וחזר ופיגל בשלישית

מה"ד אי ס"ד על דעת ראשונה הוא מיהדר פיגולי בשלישית למה לי קמ"ל מתקיף לה רב אשי מידי שתק קתני

אלא אמר רב אשי הכא במאי עסקינן כגון שפיגל בראשונה ובשניה ובשלישית מהו דתימא אי ס"ד כל העושה על דעת ראשונה הוא עושה מהדר פיגולי בכל חדא וחדא למה לי קא משמע לן

But in the case of blood presented on the inner altar, e.g., the forty three [applications] of the Day of Atonement,1 the eleven of the anointed priest's bullock, and the eleven of the community's bullock of unwitting transgression,2 if he [the priest] declared a piggul intention whether at the first, the second, or the third,3 R. Meir maintains [that] it is piggul and involves kareth; while the Sages say: It does not involve kareth unless [the priest] declares a piggul intention at the whole mattir. Incidentally he teaches, ‘if [the priest] declared a piggul intention whether at the first, at the second, or the third,’ and yet [R. Meir] disagrees?4 — Said R. Isaac b. Abin: The circumstances here are e.g. that he declared a piggul intention at the shechitah, this being one mattir.5 If so, what is the reason of the Rabbis? — Said Raba: Who are the Sages [in this passage]? R. Eleazar.6 For we learnt: [With regard to] the fistful [of flour], the frankincense, the incense, the priest's meal-offering, the anointed priest's meal-offering, and the meal-offering of the libations, if [the priest] presented as much as an olive of one of these without [the Temple court], he is liable. But R. Eleazar6 exempts [him] unless he offers the whole [without].7 But surely Raba said: Yet R. Eleazar admits in the case of blood, for we learnt: R. Eleazar and R. Simeon maintain: From where he left off there he recommences!8 — Rather said Raba: It [the Baraitha] means e.g. where he declared a piggul intention at the first [applications], was silent at the second, and again declared a piggul intention at the third.9 Now we might argue, If you claim that he acts with his original intention, why should he repeat his piggul intention at the third [applications]? Therefore he informs us [that we do not argue so]. To this R. Ashi demurred: Does he then teach [that] he was silent? Rather said R. Ashi: The circumstances here are e.g., that he declared a piggul intention at the first, second, and third. You might argue, If you think that whatever one does, one does with the first intention, why must he repeat his piggul declaration at each one? Therefore he informs us [that we do not argue so]. with the blood of the he-goat, which gives sixteen. There were similar applications on the veil of the sanctuary, making thirty two. Further, four applications of the blood of both mixed together, on the four horns of the altar, and seven applications on the top of the altar, giving a total of forty-three. respectively. he was certainly not continuing his first intention. Hence he must hold that one can render a sacrifice piggul at a portion of the mattir, which contradicts R. Simeon b. Lakish. sprinkling is continued, starting with the second applications on the veil. Only here does R. Meir rule that it is piggul, since shechitah is a service complete in itself. Rashbam: At the shechitah the priest declared his intention to make the second blood applications after time. This explanation saves the introduction of a second animal. done with a portion of the mattir only, which proves that it does not count as a service unless he completes the whole service. So here too, although shechitah is a service complete in itself, yet since this particular shechitah was merely to make up another shechitah (rendered necessary through the spilling of the blood), it is incomplete, and cannot render the sacrifice piggul. that what he did do is a complete service; hence it can become piggul thereby. This refutes Raba's explanation that the Sages in the Baraitha quoted supra are R. Eleazar. same intention as the first. So that ‘whether at the . . . second or third’ means whether he was silent at the third and declared a piggul intention at the second, or vice versa. But in both cases he had declared a piggul intention at the first.