Zevachim — Daf 110b

חייב ר"א אומר אף המנסך מי החג בחג בחוץ חייב רבי נחמיה אומר שירי הדם שהקריבו בחוץ חייב:

גמ׳ אמר רבא ומודה רבי אלעזר בדמים

דתניא רבי אלעזר ורבי שמעון אומרים ממקום שפסק הוא מתחיל:

רבי אלעזר אומר אף המנסך מי החג [בחג] בחוץ: א"ר יוחנן משום רבי מנחם יודפאה רבי אלעזר בשטת רבי עקיבא רבו אמרה דאמר ניסוך המים דאורייתא דתניא רבי עקיבא אומר (במדבר כט, לא) ונסכיה בשני ניסוכים הכתוב מדבר אחד ניסוך המים ואחד ניסוך היין

אמר ליה ריש לקיש לר' יוחנן אי מה להלן שלשת לוגין אף כאן שלשת לוגין והא ר"א מי החג קאמר אי מה להלן בשאר ימות השנה אף כאן בשאר ימות השנה [ור"א] בחג קאמר

אישתמיטתיה הא דאמר רבי אסי דאמר רבי אסי אמר רבי יוחנן משום רבי נחוניא איש בקעת בית חורתן עשר נטיעות ערבה וניסוך המים הלכה למשה מסיני

תנו רבנן המנסך שלשת לוגין מים בחג בחוץ חייב ר"א (בר"ש) אומר אם מלאן לשם חג חייב

מאי בינייהו אמר רב נחמן בר יצחק ביש שיעור במים קמיפלגי

רב פפא אמר

HE IS LIABLE. R. ELEAZAR SAID: ALSO HE WHO MAKES A LIBATION OF THE WATER OF THE FESTIVAL, ON THE FESTIVAL, WITHOUT, IS LIABLE.1 R. NEHEMIAH SAID: IF ONE PRESENTED THE RESIDUE OF THE BLOOD2 WITHOUT, HE IS LIABLE. GEMARA. Raba said: R. Eleazar too agrees in the case of blood.3 For we learnt: R. Eleazar and R. Simeon maintained: From where he left off, there he recommences.4 R. ELEAZAR SAID: ALSO HE WHO MAKES A LIBATION OF THE WATER OF THE FESTIVAL, ON THE FESTIVAL, WITHOUT, IS LIABLE. R. Johanan said on the authority of R. Menahem of Jotapata:5 R. Eleazar ruled thus in accordance with the thesis of R. Akiba, his teacher, who maintained [that] the pouring of water [on the Feast of Tabernacles] is [required] by Scriptural law, For it was taught: R. Akiba said: And the drink-offerings thereof:6 Scripture speaks of two drink-offerings, viz., the libation of water and the libation of wine.7 Said Resh Lakish to R. Johanan: If so, just as there three logs [are required], so here too three logs [are required], whereas R. Eleazar speaks of THE WATER OF THE FESTIVAL?8 [Again,] if so, just as there [there is liability] during the rest of the year, so here too [one should be liable] during the rest of the year, whereas R. Eleazar says [that one is only liable] ON THE FESTIVAL? He, however, had overlooked R. Assi's statement in R. Johanan's name. For R. Assi said in the name of R. Johanan on the authority of R, Nehunia of the valley of Beth Hauran:9 Ten Saplings,10 the Willow,11 and the Water Libation are Mosaic laws from Sinai.12 Our Rabbis taught: One who makes a libation of three logs of water on the Feast [of Tabernacles], without, is liable. R. Eleazar said: If he drew it for the sake of the Feast, he is liable. Wherein do they disagree? — Said R. Nahman b. Isaac: They disagree as to whether a standard quantity of water is required.13 R. Papa said: [ water specially drawn for this purpose, he is liable. sprinkling is continued, starting with the second application. Thus the first application was effective, and therefore if it is made without, it entails liability. stresses the plural ‘offerings’. plural form, ‘drink-offerings’, the two are alike, and there is no liability for less than three logs without. R. Eleazar, however, merely speaks of THE WATER OF THE FESTIVAL, which may, on one view, be one log (Suk. 48a). XLVII, 18; R.H. 22b. Shebi.I.) may be ploughed until the very end of the sixth year (the seventh is the Sabbatical year). In a plantation of older trees tilling must cease at least one month before. tradition, and not directly indicated in Scripture, one is not bound by the analogy of the Wine Libation; hence three logs are not needed. — ‘He overlooked’ presumably means Menahem of Jotapata, and though R. Johanan cites both statements, the present one may be of later date, when he had rejected Menahem's view (Tosaf.). maintains that there is no standard: consequently, this condition of three logs holds good only if the water was specially drawn for libations in the vessel used for the purpose, which held three logs, whereby the vessel appointed the whole of the three logs (cf. supra a top). But if the vessel did not thus appoint it, one is liable even for less. (Tosaf. Rashi explains it otherwise.)