Sukkah — Daf 4a

ואע"ג דבטלינהו [לכולהו] משום דבטלה דעתו אצל כל אדם

תבן ובטלו הוי מיעוט וכל שכן עפר ובטלו

תבן ואין עתיד לפנותו ועפר סתם מחלוקת ר' יוסי ורבנן דתנן בית שמילאהו תבן או צרורות וביטלו מבוטל

ביטלו אין לא ביטלו לא ותני עלה רבי יוסי אומר תבן ואין עתיד לפנותו הרי הוא כעפר סתם ובטל עפר ועתיד לפנותו הרי הוא כסתם תבן ולא בטיל

היתה גבוהה מעשרים אמה והוצין יורדין בתוך כ' אמה אם צלתם מרובה מחמתם כשרה ואם לאו פסולה

היתה גבוהה י' טפחים והוצין יורדין לתוך י' סבר אביי למימר אם חמתם מרובה מצלתם כשירה

א"ל רבא הא דירה סרוחה היא ואין אדם דר בדירה סרוחה

היתה גבוהה מעשרים אמה ובנה בה איצטבא כנגד דופן האמצעי על פני כולה ויש בה הכשר סוכה כשרה

ומן הצד אם יש משפת איצטבא לכותל ד"א פסולה פחות מארבע אמות כשרה

מאי קא משמע לן דאמרינן דופן עקומה תנינא בית שנפחת וסיכך על גביו אם יש מן הכותל לסיכוך ד"א פסולה הא פחות מכאן כשרה

מהו דתימא התם הוא דחזיא לדופן אבל הכא דלא חזיא לדופן אימא לא קמ"ל

היתה גבוהה מכ' אמה ובנה איצטבא באמצעיתה אם יש משפת איצטבא ולדופן ארבע אמות לכל רוח ורוח פסולה פחות מארבע אמות כשרה

מאי קא משמע לן דאמרינן דופן עקומה היינו הך

מהו דתימא דופן עקומה מרוח אחת אמרינן אבל כל רוח ורוח לא קא משמע לן

היתה פחותה מי' טפחים וחקק בה כדי להשלימה לעשרה אם יש משפת חקק ולכותל ג' טפחים פסולה

even though he abandoned them1 since his intention is canceled by that of other men;2 if [he spread] straw [in order to diminish the height] and abandoned it, it is a [valid] diminution, and much more so is this the case with earth which he abandoned. [If he spread] straw which he had no intention of removing3 or earth concerning which his intention is unknown — this is a matter of dispute between R. Jose and the Rabbis. For we have learnt, If a house was filled with straw or gravel and the owner announced his intention to abandon it, it is duly abandoned.4 [Thus only if] he expressly abandoned it,5 is it not regarded as abandoned, but if he did not expressly do so, it is not so regarded; and with regard to this we have learnt, R. Jose ruled: Straw which he has no intention of removing is like ordinary earth6 and is deemed to be abandoned; earth which he intends to remove [later] is like ordinary straw6 and is not deemed to be abandoned.7 [If a Sukkah] was more than twenty cubits high but palm-leaves8 hung down within the twenty cubits, if the shade9 is more than the sun,10 it is valid, otherwise it is invalid. If [the sukkah] was ten handbreadths high11 and palm-leaves hung down within the ten cubits, Abaye12 intended to say that if the sun [that penetrates through them] is more than their shade, it is valid,13 [but] Raba said to him, This is a house [whose roof] hangs low down, and no man lives in such a dwelling. If it was higher than twenty cubits and he built a ledge at the middle wall14 along its whole length15 and it16 has the minimum size of a valid Sukkah,17 it18 is valid.19 If [he built the ledge] on a side [wall], — if from the edge of the ledge to the wall [opposite] there are four cubits,20 it21 is invalid; but if the distance was less than four cubits, it18 is valid.22 What principle does he teach us by this ruling? That we apply the rule of the ‘curved wall’?23 But have we not [already] learnt it: A house [the middle of whose flat roof] is missing and one placed the valid covering of a Sukkah upon it,24 if there are four cubits from the [top of the] wall to the covering, it25 is invalid;26 which [shows that] if the distance was less than this it is valid?27 — One might have thought that only there28 [it is valid] since [each side] is suitable [to serve] as a wall;29 but that here30 since it31 is unsuitable for a wall, one might say that it is invalid, [therefore] we were taught [that even here the principle32 is applied]. If [a sukkah] was higher than twenty cubits and one built a platform in the middle of it, if there are four cubits on every side between the edge of the platform and the wall, it33 is invalid; but if the distance is less than four cubits, it is valid. What principle does this teach us? That we apply the rule of the ‘curved wall’?34 But is not this principle identical with the former one?-One might have thought that we apply the rule of the ‘curved wall’ on one side only, but not on every side, therefore we were taught [that we apply it to all sides also]. If [a Sukkah] was less than ten handbreadths in height and one hollowed out35 [a hole]36 in order to bring it to [ten handbreadths], — if there was a distance of three handbreadths from the brim of the hollow to the wall, it is invalid; abandoned, and that straw about which the owner's intention is not known and earth which he intends to remove is not regarded as abandoned, while as regards straw or earth which the owner does not intend to remove and earth about which the owner's intention is not known there is a divergence of view between R. Jose, who deems it to be abandoned, and the Rabbis. two side walls. extension of it (cf. infra 19a). of that wall which thus serves as a third wall for the ledge.