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Menachot — Daf 58b

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ויש הקטרה פחותה מכזית

ורבא אמר אין קומץ פחות משני זיתים ואין הקטרה פחותה מכזית

איתמר המעלה משאור ומדבש על גבי המזבח אמר רבא לוקה משום שאור ולוקה משום דבש לוקה משום עירובי שאור ומשום עירובי דבש

אביי אמר אין לוקין על לאו שבכללות

איכא דאמרי חדא מיהא לקי

ואיכא דאמרי חדא נמי לא לקי דהא לא מיחד לאויה כלאו דחסימה:

and that the burning of a quantity less than an olive's bulk counts as an offering;1 whereas Raba maintains that the handful may not be less than two olives’ bulk and that the burning of a quantity less than an olive's bulk does not count as an offering. It was stated: If a man offered leaven and honey2 upon the altar, he has incurred stripes, said Raba, once for offering leaven, again for offering honey, again for offering leaven in a mixture, and yet again for offering honey in a mixture. But Abaye said, He does not suffer stripes for the breach of a negative precept which includes a number of prohibitions.3 Some say that he suffers stripes but once;4 but others say that he does not suffer stripes at all,5 since the negative precept is not as specific as that of ‘muzzling’.6 Hence he suffers stripes four times. the term ‘for any’ v. supra) includes prohibitions for the mixture of leaven and the mixture of honey. V. Tosaf. s.v. vkgnv and iht. offering the leaven, again for the honey, and a third time for the mixtures. it follows immediately upon the law concerning stripes, Deut. XXV, 1ff.